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and this is weapons

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the only thing more dangerous than

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talking about UFOs for us is not talking

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about UFOs if we do an interview a guest

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like you David we hadn't been talking

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about UFOs we catch nothing but grief

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about it oh yeah because they assume

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we're always going to talk about UFOs

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and only UFOs well people that really

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you know like to to kind of you know

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learn about this you know they of course

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they're excited about the open topic so

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are we in every conversation of ours

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leads to UFOs eventually yeah yeah yeah

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yeah but you know our interests go far

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and wider than that but yes uh you know

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but I like let's stick on UFOs I like

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that let's talk about it well I'd like

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to talk about your adventure the two of

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you guys saw one I mean you know yeah

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you had never seen one before I know

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I've never seen one that I know of as

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far as I can remember but you guys had

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one so let's hear the story yeah finally

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both of us had one that's what that's

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it's a crazy story you know I love I

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want to hear Dave explain we we both you

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know we saw the same thing but we both

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different things of it really intrigued

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us and so I like kind of hearing what

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how Dave experienced it yeah well I mean

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it happened

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it was a night I was just visiting

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visiting and we were walking to your dog

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yeah on a very beautiful starry night I

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think I don't think there was a moon in

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the sky that night I don't think this is

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the stars were so uh prominent and I

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remember watching in the distance

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watching the commercial air traffic

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flying around and just thinking about

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what a clear beautiful night it was and

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just saying to Jeremy you know this will

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be a good night to see something this

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would be I'd like to you know and uh so

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we're pretty remote by the way so you

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know you know so where we are big

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no light pollution it was just like a

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one of those beautiful nights and you

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know walking my pup and just kind of

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really enjoying the night and then this

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guy gets sarcastic you know yeah like

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well you remember though I don't I just

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remember saying I want to see this would

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be a great night to see something no no

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no no no no this is called you out Foley

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ghost hey man it's so cool coming up to

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hang out with the UFO expert I was kind

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of hoping I'd see a UFO you know just

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kind of digging at me I've never seen

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one either never really a machine that I

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could say that's a UFO but within few

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moments of asking to see something uh I

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think I was looking and I hear and

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Jeremy goes Dave turn around

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and I turn around and uh in the distance

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there's this

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bright orangey gold thing kind of

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pulsing with orange Gold light and with

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some white lights on the front of it or

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assuming it's the front because that's

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the way it was traveling

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um and looking at it and it's clearly

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and you see the commercial air traffic

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all around it and the difference is very

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and it's well this was close first of

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all this yeah close compared to another

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and it got closer and closer to us and

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it sort of traveled around this Valley

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to you know and uh and I think we both

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were thinking at the same time uh I kept

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thinking this will be like when I'm in

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my backyard and I see so I'm going to

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eventually realize it's oh it's just

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something boring I kept thinking this is

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going to get boring as it gets closer

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did you say anything to each other as

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you're watching it well yeah hold on

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let's yeah that was weird so let's get

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into that but I wanted what you kind of

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missed what I saw yeah so again I'm you

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know he's taking the pest that I mean

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I'm thinking [\h__\h] and then I'm

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I'm looking and I and he's standing

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there and his back is to it and from a

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45 degree angle which looked from as far

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as the distance could be from high up

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seemed like it came from space this

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thing just

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shot down at a 45 degree angle just

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glowing right and then it boom hits and

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levels off and so that was the first

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thing that's when I was able to say hey

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turn around like I already knew this was

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weird I thought maybe it was a comment

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or something I I thought it would end up

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being super Pro X I've never seen

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Bonafide machine UFO and we were both

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kind of like had never seen anything

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like that when he turned around he

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caught it right after as it was level it

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was yeah it stayed on a level like I

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guess what we call a trajectory yeah and

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so from then on so that was so our

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reactions was a really weird thing but

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before that like what was so impressive

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to me we all thought the kid I thought

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I'm sure we thought this is going to end

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up being something normal or a comet or

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something it's going to take an angle

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and show itself and show itself holy

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[\h__\h] because first of all it's over this

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there's mountains on both sides just

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right there over the sky and it was it

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was big and the thing that really struck

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me for me and I know this is maybe

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different than for Dave but it it was

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self-luminous and it so it was like you

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could say it was it was glowing it was

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self-luminous but it would pulse with

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this extreme power that's the thing that

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really struck me was the power that it

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took to do this and and there were four

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pulses and when it pulls it kind of went

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like and there's no Sonic Boom it was

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these these movements and and seeing it

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to send in from 45 degree angle and hit

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down and then move it was so to me this

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tremendous power because you could see

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it was a machine it had these big three

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lights that weren't shooting like beams

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but there were smaller lights with a

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larger white light in the middle of it

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and they were pulsing too but at a

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different Tempo than the rest of them

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then the body of The Craft and that that

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was the thing to me was it was almost

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comical it was like what you'd imagine

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drawn in a 1940s comic book I wanted is

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retro kind of retro yeah you drew it

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right I did I did draw a picture of it

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yeah but our reaction was pretty crazy

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you know um I practiced the Quick Draw

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my camera I'm not gonna be that UFO guy

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that doesn't pull out his camera right

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but I'm thinking the whole time I'm

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sitting there I literally said out loud

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I'm not even gonna try to film this yeah

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and I remember hearing that and going

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it's and in my mind it just seemed like

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that's a weird thing and then I also in

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richest I go it's really weird that I

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didn't call you out on it right away uh

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but neither was except for that one time

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that Jeremy said yeah I'm not gonna take

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try and try and film this uh neither of

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us spoke for the entire event

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and it felt like you were addressing

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somebody but it wasn't you weren't

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really addressing me I hadn't said

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anything yeah uh you was just saying it

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out loud like like like somehow that

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thought popped into your head

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astonished by what I was seeing I

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couldn't believe it you just said made

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this joke yeah to me no it just seemed

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so irrational that what do you make of

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that that you say it and then boom one

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appears is that an invocation that it

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appeared because you said it well it's

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I'm I don't it seems

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it seems like it was it seems almost

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weirder if it wasn't

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you know that we were just

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coincidentally

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discuss this two two people who were

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interested but have never seen anything

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and there it is and how long did it last

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and what happened at the end it was a

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few minutes yeah a few minutes yeah we

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watched it never pulled out that damn

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camera and this and as I said we and

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except for that we didn't say anything

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until it went uh went away behind the

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mountains well hold on so in in my

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defense like I am astonished by what

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I've seen like I can't believe it that

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we're actually seeing one because it was

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so weird right after what he said in my

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defense if I had brought up the iPhone

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the the darkness of the sky because it

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was almost completely dark there was

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still a little bit of light you would

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not have a great UFO video after that so

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in my defense I was maybe I think I

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didn't want to hurt my eyes with the

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light so I didn't miss a second of it

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but also we thought it was going to

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disappear it seems so unusual we thought

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it would disappear immediately that

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[\h__\h] hung out after the slips it

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just kind of kept moving slow and then

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it hovered it stayed in one spot stock

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like I've had people in my area tell me

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about having pretty astounding sightings

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it's a cool area for watching UFOs

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people have told me about some of their

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really astounding sightings when I was

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actually editing the Bob Lazar movie

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right out on the mountain where I was

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editing it there's an actor friend of

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mine who lives near me and he was shaken

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and he called me and he had seen

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something that looked like a kind of

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like a Tic Tac just hovering by that

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mountain with like portholes the guy was

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like trembling when he told me never

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told the story he doesn't want to tell

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so he was you know so in that area I

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don't know but here's part of the

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weirdness is that that's that response

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to it makes sense our response makes no

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sense right

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um that that we had neither one of us

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had any

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level of excitement or adrenaline wasn't

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rushing they're just kind of mesmering

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and very calm very just matter of fact

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about it and no no as again no emotional

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response and and even since it I have no

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emotional response to it when I think

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about it before you talk about drawing

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it I'll tell you this though we got home

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and we built a bonfire and I said I went

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into full investigatory mode okay tell

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me exactly what you saw I want to make

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sure what did he see compared to me and

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is it the same yeah it was the same I

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mean he was able to describe the shape

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of it a little better than me

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um both by drawing but also in

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description we had my the thing that

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impressed me most was that the sheer

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amount of raw power that it took to do

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that without Sonic booms because

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remember I saw it coming at that 45

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degree angle and just stop and then move

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he had a kind of more personal

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experience with it I think what he's

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saying about the way we reacted I have

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to chalk it up to just being astonished

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yeah I think it's more than that because

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I think our astonishment we would have

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some Adrenaline Rush there would have

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been some excitement because you but you

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know you watch people's videos of UFOs

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on online and they're always going what

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the [\h__\h] is that yeah right Jesus Christ

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what the [\h__\h] that's what is that right

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and uh none of that from us and even

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after it it was just like after when it

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went behind the mountain uh Jeremy just

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went dude that was a UFO

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you know in UFO lore there are so many

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cases of people who witness something

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and then they fumble for their phone or

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their camera and try to get it and by

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the time they get it up there it's gone

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and yeah so you have to make the

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decision do I want to see it or do I

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want to videotape it because sometimes

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that the two are I I felt like there was

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like that our our response was not under

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our control and that somehow we were led

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to just uh stay calm and pay attention

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Okay you you ask for it here it is take

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a look so just for you so just look at

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it don't get excited just watch it so

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you'll remember what you saw

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and uh and that was it I just didn't

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want to miss a second of it that's

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that's the for me it just felt like I

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didn't I I hear all the things you're

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saying and it might be right but I just

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I didn't want to miss a second of it and

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then the weirdest thing is you know I

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couldn't draw where [\h__\h] the next day he

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sends me he texts me an image but tell

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him about that that was pretty neat well

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yeah the next day I I went home and I

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just and I got out my iPad and started

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trying to draw it and I opened up an app

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that I'd never opened up before a

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drawing app and immediately found

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basically every tool I needed to draw it

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uh how to to shade it I got was able to

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get the exact color that I wanted I was

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able to find an app that gave me these

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sort of lens flare lighting effects for

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the front lights immediately everything

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immediately like when it took about 15

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with no knowledge of the app and

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the fact that I have zero ability to

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draw I cannot draw anything but I was

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able to even get the perspective of the

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of the shape of it this kind of weird

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kind of slightly triangular it was like

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almost like a bread roll but slightly

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triangular kind of uh shape to it I was

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able to draw that with perspective in

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the in in the accurate perspective so

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that it you know it uh you know

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diminished as it went you know as when

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as as the shape of it goes away from

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uh the front

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um

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and it and again 15 minutes that was

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done and and after and at that point I

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just sort of went oh don't do any more

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you knew you were done yeah don't do

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anymore and I sent it to Jeremy as soon

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as I finished it and your reaction is

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that it it's what we said first of all I

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said you're a [\h__\h] great artist how'd

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you do that like I wanted to know did he

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how did he do that but yeah it is what

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we saw and what's weird is again the

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thing that sticks with me it was almost

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like a Comic version of what a UFO

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should look like it looked like a

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steampunk thing in a way it was a

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machine and it did things that I know

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shouldn't have happened it should not

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have been able to descend that fast to

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move into that lateral line to pulse

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with that glow and slip like this I mean

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I didn't even ever want to tell this

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story you know UFO guy sees the UFO come

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on yeah but like well I know I I felt

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part of me was going oh [\h__\h] now I have

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to tell people and I was going I was so

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it's much more pure to believe it just

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on the evidence yeah you know as opposed

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to having actually had an experience

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right now all right now you done did it

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you saw your photo yeah so but the thing

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is I you know I make no claims of

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understanding anything about this I I

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don't know where it was from what it was

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Opera all I know is that we do not have

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that Tech that was so obvious to me at

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that moment and

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um

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and just the weirdness that it felt like

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it was a like it was being presented to

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us it was like a display a performance

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for your benefit because it circled it

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circled the valley yeah yeah and it

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didn't keep it didn't go past us it got

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to where we were and hung there

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for quite a while you know I don't know

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what to say man it was yeah so [\h__\h]

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weird interesting well we'll put the

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image out on this episode of weaponized

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and hopefully our our listeners our

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audience can react or maybe some of them

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have seen something similar because I've

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never seen an image like that like what

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you guys showed me yeah I've never even

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heard of a UFO shaped like that that's

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the other thing I wanted a disc I wanted

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a cylinder nut you know I want to see

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something I remember having deciding I

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was I put it up on Twitter and had spent

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an evening just sort of discussing with

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whoever wanted to discuss it answer

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whatever questions people asked but I

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remember somebody said well it sounds to

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me like what you saw was the illuminated

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wheel well of a jet crowd going overhead

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sometimes that it lights up just the

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underside of the wing so you're probably

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just seeing the underside of the the

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slow flying airplane that was right

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there and this was not yeah a bird yeah

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it was not a typical plane yeah we saw

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all that stuff we see it all the time

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out there and it would have been pretty

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noisy if it was close enough that we and

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and

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yeah this thing's flying over orange

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groves at that height I mean that that

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was the Eerie thing was the the absolute

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silence so that the thing was was

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obviously larger than so at least the

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size of a big school bus I mean that you

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could see you could you could actually

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physically see that the text you could

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see the craft itself it wasn't like

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something like you know so far away you

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couldn't make that a block of white but

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it wasn't close enough you could feel

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almost feel that almost sense the

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texture of this the skin of it totally

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and that that color you know that that

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that glow I just I could I thought maybe

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it would explode a few times it was it

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was really bizarre man I don't know what

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to make of it well we'll see what our

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audience says see if anybody comes up

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with similar sightings from other parts

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of the world we'll let you know but it's

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just that that the condescension of

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people think oh I can explain this yeah

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like why would you why why would you

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think that when it doesn't match any

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element of what I just told you but

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you'll go to like that is your